let me make some things clear for you:
we do NOT spread rumors.
I don't know how many times I need to point this out, but saying that doesn't prove anything. To be able to just say something like that and have anyone take it seriously, you first have to have some established integrity to point to. Without that, you're just paraphrasing Richard Nixon. "Let me make one thing perfectly clear. I am not a crook."
and the purpose of this post was to crush anyone from spreading anymore rumors about US.
It's going to have the opposite effect, you know. You come off in this entry as a group of people who make their way in Second Life by destroying their fellow furs in order to take over their businesses. Or worse, The RIAA of Furry Fandom.
REC's actions about your xanadu were mentioned because they looked suspiscious for obvious reasons. posting a shout link on my FA and so on. its all been gone over repeatedly.
The key word there is suspicious. That is not a word you used in the original entry. You made out that you had solid evidence he was up to something shameful, when in fact, you had never even bothered to investigate the matter, nor to pursue established protocols for dealing with such suspicions. You fabricated a fantasy in your head and presented it to the internet as fact.
no we did not get any of our ideas from you or your club. theres plenty of xanadus on SL, and as i said before i never had a problem with yours thats just silly.
I might have been inclined to believe you before I saw this entry. Now I can't trust a word you say. I've seen here that you lie, that you manipulate, that you only attack people who have something you want to steal, and that you're idea of rumor control is to generate misinformation about others. You have, with this one act, thrown more validity behind my own suspicions than I have ever had.
what i did have a problem with, was seeing my FA used for advertisement
Yeah, I'll agree with one thing. REC did handle that badly, as he's prone to do when trying to express himself in few or no words. But you admitted yourself, he was in your club several times. You had ample opportunity to inquire about it, or even to reprimand him about it. Instead you just filed it away for future advantage.
and as you mentioned "some people arent greatful for free advertisement", you guys didnt advertise us, you stated on bixyls blog that our club is strictly adult, and that some of your ex employees came to work for us and helped us build xanadu. thats not "giving us a plug in your article".
I stated what I believed at the time to be the truth. And I still have no real evidence with which to change those beliefs. If I alter what I believe in any way, I do it purely as a courtesy. And you're making it harder and harder to want to be courteous.
Also, I've got news for you. You're a porn company. Your Xanadu is a promotion for your porn. Everything associated with you is of a strictly adult nature.
if i spoke about your place saying "theres another xanadu, and we helped perri and rec build it, and its only for people who dress in black cloths, and you guys should know perri gives out hand jobs to all first time customers", thats not giving you a plug on our article.
Are you kidding? If you'd said that our Xanadu would have gained so many patrons it might actually have shown a profit. I'd have sent you a thank you note.
Basically I pointed out the differences between the two clubs, because I didn't want them confused. And it was a live typed interview. I didn't have a lot of time to pick and choose my words carefully.
If you didn't like it, at any time you could have contacted me, and we could have worked out some alternate wording that you might have liked better. But you didn't contact me. Instead, again, you just filed it away for future advantage.
You did not take advantage of any of the protocols SL employs to prevent this kind of unpleasantness. You did not assume good faith. So, any hot water you find yourself in now is completely of your own boiling.
please, dont try to claim credit for the population of our opening night either. they were peach fuzz fans, not xanadu fans. and your club is not the only place called xanadu,
That doesn't alter the fact that they couldn't find you, and that our club became a portal to yours. And that we acted in good faith to get your customers to you. You have cause to be grateful. And we have cause to feel like suckers. Thank you very much.
I had IMs that evening from multiple places called xanadu, saying they are getting people there asking about some sort of opening night.
Of course you did. But we got the brunt of your poor listing, because we were the only other Furry Xanadu. And also the top rated Xanadu, save for the one that had never used the movie motif.
everything that we countered in our original post, INCLUDES black and white proof of who was saying what about us, as far as you guys are concerned. look for yourself.
It's also proof you knew who to contact about it, and you didn't. Further, the fact that we were talking about you does not prove bad faith, as everything we said was what we honestly believed.
as for recent events? i was shown the new post bixyl made in his blog, and i responded to it. you can see for yourself.
I don't recall being consulted on any revisions or a new article. I didn't hear a word about this until 2 months after the fact. And what I see in the replies to that new article I don't like at all. Namely that you’re responsible for the sinking of Cape Suzette and Rainbow Wood Island. All I can say is you're doing a really great job of rumor control, aren't ya?
someone claiming to be "with peach fuzz" (as usual) came and harrassed one of you. this is why in our original post in this thread, one of the things said is to COME TO US and TELL US their name.
Look, you didn't come to us with any of your suspicions. Coming to you now to have you investigate things you are suspected of would be illogical, if not outright stupid. And, as I've said, I don't want it investigated. I don't care if you're guilty. I want to just let you off the hook. That is what I have been doing all along. And that is what I expect you to do with your suspicions.
I consider all of that a separate issue from this entry. You have taken things to a whole new dimension. A dimension that precludes any possibility of just letting you slide this time. You owe us an apology.
and no, we NEVER came to your xanadu, asking to film there and so on.
Give me one good reason why anyone should believe you didn't personally come to my club with an alt to spy on your competition, or to commit sabotage. Based on your behavior just in this entry, why would anyone think it wouldn't be just the natural thing for you to do?
You set the precedent in this entry for treating suspicions as fact. And at this point there are so many suspicions against you that one would have to be a fool to take you at your word.
will make a post here on the peach fuzz forum website, showing everyone that we did infact speak together, and smoothed things over, and that he is sorry for the misunderstanding and such.
You got all that. REC did exactly as you asked. And you pissed on it.
But that's neither here nor there. It's my dream your trying to take credit for, suggesting we were copying off of you. Suggesting our Xanadu was rezzed after your announcement, and that it wasn't built by Furry paws. After all we put into that club I take that as a white glove in my face.
So, you have REC’s forgiveness for the slander in this entry in advance of your public apology. I will answer to all other matters here in your blog. All that remains now is for you to make things right so we can agree to lay this matter to rest forever.
no perri, we did not shoot ourselves in the foot. and we dont slander anyone either.
Well, now I not only know that you lie, but you lie in full sight of the evidence. Not really a surprise though.
i was happy to see that, clicked the link, and saw his p[ost. and found it was nothing like what he said it would be. as you can see in my first reply to him. this offended me and i gave it another shot by assuming it was another "mistake" or "misunderstanding", and gave him the chance to fix it.
The only reason you could have to be offended by what REC wrote is because it doesn't conform to what you want others to believe. What possible cause could you have to be offended by truth so easily verifiable?
You're upset because you coached him on what he was to say, without realizing he doesn't have the capacity to maintain such coaching. All he can do is write the truth as he remembers it, and as the dated entries he linked bear out.
You're upset because his innocence blew your lies out of the water and showed you up for what you really are.
to prevent rumors about us from continuing. tpo give solid information from the source.
And how were you to do that when you never investigated? Obviously I'm the source. But you've been working pretty hard to keep me out of the picture. You've been working hard to keep everybody out of the picture but REC, probably because you thought he'd be an easy victim.
Well, the source is here now, and the source says you didn't clear up anything at all, nor did you prevent rumors. You've only cast further doubt on yourself. Doubt which, as far as I knew, was non-existent before you pulled this. Which is why we've been so gracious in extending you the benefit of the doubt. But I don't think anyone is ever going to do that again. Not if they see this.
and as for "shutting you up" as you mention, i can stop replies on our thread at any time. i deliberately dont, even if i dont like what people have to say. because its an open forum and everyone has the right to speak. but the moment you start turning it into a "flame war" and make comments like your latest one, it looks alot less like your trading important information, and more like your angry, looking for a fight, which as cc basically said, only makes you look more in the wrong.
I've told you, repeatedly, I'm not looking for a fight, I'm looking for an apology and a retraction. And just because you don't own up to your responsibility doesn't mean I'm going to start a war. But it doesn't mean I'm going to be quiet either.
You've left this open ended, unresolved. You can expect rumors and rumors of rumors to result. Of course, that was probably your plan in the first place. All I can say is I hope the publicity that results is the kind you anticipated.
if you wish to continue to speak here on the peach fuzz forum you are ALWAYS welcome to, but no more attitude. no fighting and no flame wars.
The only one who's been giving attitude here is you. I've just been giving you good advice, on the assumption that you really do want to control rumors. Though it seems pretty obvious at this point that you don't.
but im more than happy to speak with you too.
You are speaking to me, but you're not resolving anything. You're just trying to defend your right to slander people without consequence. And that won't fly with me.
I'm here. I'm a reasonable bunny. You don't like my offer, throw out one of your own.
so the same way i offered to rec, calmly and friendly, to speak together and clear things up together and make friends, im offering that to you now. because this, is SILLY. so come sit with opi and i together in SL.
I'm sorry, you just don't get it. I don't want to sit with you in SL. You had 2 to 3 years to resolve this in SL, during which I would have been more than happy to sit down with you. But you didn't make this trouble in SL. You made this trouble on the outside internet where there's not a chance in hell of this slander not effecting us adversely. If I allow it to be resolved in SL I have no guarantee the outside internet will ever see that resolution. Meaning the damage to us will not be undone.
So, I am perfectly content to sit down and talk with you, here and now, on the internet where everyone can see, and work out an amicable resolution. After all, it's not like I'm asking for a whole heck of a lot.
And it is also in your best interest to work it out in public, because there will be no rumors about what went on behind closed doors.
Basically it boils down to this. You went off half cocked and said some things you shouldn't have. I'm asking you, quite nicely actually, to take them back. In exchange for which I will no longer think ill of you, and therefore will have no cause to speak ill of you.
And, if you would like me to clarify that we did not provide any assistance to you other than that of being friendly neighbors, I will do that. I will even venture to offer an apology on behalf of Perri's Xanadu for REC's overzealousness in sending you an invitation that looked like a spam.
On our end I don't see what else I can offer you. And all I really want in exchange is a retraction of your untruths about REC and Perri's Xanadu, with a friendly apology to REC for any damage your misunderstanding may have done to his good name and reputation.
Oh, and one added stipulation that any suspicions either of us have about what went on in SL with the 2 clubs be dismissed as folly and laid to rest permanently by both parties.
I don't think that's a lot to ask. Nor do I think it's unreasonable. *tosses ball into your court*
and we can answer your questions, while you answer ours, and take the opportunity to smooth things over (again).
I don’t have any questions on my end. I’ve no interest in pinning you to the wall about whether you did this or that. It’s just not that important to me.
On the other hand, if there’s something you’d like to ask me, just throw it up here. I’ll answer it to the best of my ability.
my personal opinion of all this? big picture, i saw jian say "hi im the guy that was harrassed", and i offered to talk to jian cause I WANNA KNOW who is going around claiming to represent peach fuzz, jian tells me, i find out its that old asshole of a kid who makes up stories to everyone.
Believe it or not, hearing that you actually knew the guy doesn’t really help your case. It’s just one more coincidence in a line of events that already has too many coincidences. Which is very troublesome, since I am trying not to blame you. I want to be able to offer you mutual non-condemnation. This is not making it easier.
On our side, we’ve got maybe two things that look suspicious in a certain light. But I’ve got a whole page of rumors and incredible coincidences for your side. And the more you pursue this, the longer the list gets.
Now I have to add to that list that you admitted to knowing the griefer. And I also have to add that you reopened your Xanadu during this discussion. Yet another incredible coincidence.
But still, I have to sit here and give you the benefit of the doubt that it is just a coincidence. That you didn’t decide to bring your Xanadu back at this specific instance just to annoy me or prove some kind of point.
You know, I was somewhat happy before you pulled this stunt. Anything we had ever suspected about you was well and truly forgotten. And we would probably have happily attended the reopening of your place and been able to think of it as a beautiful experience. Instead of being here at our own place listening to Shujin’s show by remote.
Nothing about this business bothers me more than the bad feelings you’ve generated. And the more you insist on probing into this, the more I feel like my second life is being griefed. And I just want it to stop. Put a cap on this wound and stop picking at it before my benefit of the doubt is stretched to the breaking point.
i take the opportunity to speak to rec and smooth things over. we do so, shake hands and make friends and everythings good. then rec's significant other finds out, doesnt get the whole story properly, (for whatever reason) and comes here being an angry protective mate or.. something to that effect.
*Shakes head in disgust* You are so full of bull. Obviously from your reply to REC you hadn’t straightened anything out. And if I hadn’t intervened, you’d have been kicking REC around like a toy.
And, for the record, I’d have been in here biting your tail regardless. Because you told lies about my club, and in doing so told lies on me. And if there’s one thing I just can never leave unchallenged, it’s lies.
contact us in SL. my screen name is Flashdust Lamington. and opi's is Opius Oddfellow. opi offered to talk of this off forum because this isnt the place for a flame war.
You’re the one starting a flame war. And I think you’re doing it on purpose. And that being the case, there is no way I’d move this into SL where you’d have the advantage.
but he isnt as combative as i am. so ill repeat this one more time for the road: calm down, and trade info, without attitude. flaming gets you banned from this place. thats my final word on this.
If you see any flames in this discussion, you have quite a tendency to distort reality. Which is how you got yourself in this mess in the first place.
Now, do you want to make nice with me and settle this or not? If so, take a Valum, check your “I’ll ban you for a flamer if you don’t agree with me” attitude at the door, and come back prepared to work out a sensible resolution.
I don’t want to hear anymore about how this was justified and that was justified. You’ve heard what I want and what I offer. If you want to ask for something else, ask it. If it’s something I can give, I will. Just remember, signing off on a version of history that is not the truth is not something I can do for you.
If I was wrong about something, I can say I was wrong. No biggie. And I’m not even going to inquire about anything that happened in SL for my own side. Even if you’re guilty, I’ll let you off scott free.
All I want to clear up is the misinformation in this entry. If we can get that done, this can all be forgotten tomorrow.